{"id":3655,"date":"2015-03-12T10:12:24","date_gmt":"2015-03-12T18:12:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pacificasv.org\/?p=3655"},"modified":"2016-09-12T20:20:28","modified_gmt":"2016-09-13T03:20:28","slug":"text-of-rev-andrew-killes-speech-at-pacifica-institute","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pacificainstitute.org\/bay-area\/2015\/03\/12\/text-of-rev-andrew-killes-speech-at-pacifica-institute\/","title":{"rendered":"Full Text of Rev. Andrew Kille&#8217;s Speech at Pacifica Institute"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Tolerance, Respect, and Pluralism: Changing Relationships in a \u201cMulti-\u201c World<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"  wp-image-3656 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/pacificasv.org\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/rev_kille.jpg\" alt=\"rev_kille\" width=\"252\" height=\"232\" \/>Rev. D. Andrew Kille, Ph.D.<\/p>\n<p>Pacifica Institute<\/p>\n<p>March 4, 2015<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Tolerance of those whose beliefs, practices, or customs differ from one\u2019s own is a minimum requirement for living in the contemporary world, as it becomes increasingly multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-ethnic, and multi-you-name-it. What might be necessary to move beyond tolerance to mutual respect, and how might that move change our understandings of community in a pluralistic context?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I am often struck by how different my world is now than when I was younger. I grew up in a small town, where religious dialogue meant little more than the Baptists were willing to talk to the Methodists. I knew there were Catholics and Jews, and maybe even Buddhists and Hindus, but never imagined that there might be Jains and Zoroastrians, Wiccans or Gnostics.<\/p>\n<p>There was a joke told when I was young about a man who died and went to heaven. St. Peter met him at the gate, and was showing him all the wonders of heaven\u2014the lovely mansions, the wide lawns. At one point in the tour, however, St. Peter said, \u201cShhh! Be quiet here,\u201d and they tiptoed down the hall past the room with a closed door.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat was that about?\u201d said the man.<\/p>\n<p>St. Peter replied, \u201cOh, that was (and I will use my own community here, though it could be anyone) the Baptists. They think they\u2019re the only ones here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>There was a time long ago, perhaps even when we were young, that we could pretend that we were the only ones here. But in our modern world where communication and news, and even people can travel quickly from place to place, we are more and more likely to encounter those who are truly different from us. We have moved from small villages to larger towns to cities and regions and now share global connections, and none of us can now pretend that we are the only ones here.<\/p>\n<p>Sociologists tell us that our capacity for close relationship is limited. They suggest that the human brain can only handle a limited number of close relationships. That number, known as Dunbar\u2019s number is estimated to be between 100 and 250 people. Beyond that, personal relationship is not enough to hold a group together; they begin to develop institutions, rules, laws, and enforcement to manage the connections.<\/p>\n<p>We thus move into the arena of what sociologist Benedict Anderson called \u201cimagined communities.\u201d An imagined community is different from an actual community because it is not (and, for practical reasons, cannot be) based on everyday face-to-face interaction between its members. A nation is a socially constructed community, imagined by the people who perceive themselves as part of that group.<\/p>\n<p>At some level, we understand that. For example\u2014where is Silicon Valley? Is it a geographic location, a cluster of technologies, a state of mind? The other day, from the window of the ING offices on the ninth floor, I was able to see from the East Foothills to the Almaden area to the Santa Cruz Mountains. I consider this my community. But I realize I will never know all of the people here; I will not meet most of them. We do not all share the same interests, or stories, or hopes for the future. So what does it mean to be a part of the Silicon Valley Community?<\/p>\n<p>Within that larger reality, we develop smaller \u201cvillages.\u201d Faced with unimaginable diversity, we move toward group identity on a smaller scale\u2014developing ways of knowing who is in and who is out; who can be trusted and who should be mistrusted. Sadly, group identity is often formed in opposition to \u201cthe other.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The story is told of a Jewish man who was stranded on a desert island for many years. When a ship finally came to rescue him, he told the rescuers, \u201cBefore we go there is something I want to show you.\u201d He took them to one end of the island and showed them a complex of buildings built out of the native trees and stone. It included a synagogue, a school, and other buildings.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat\u2019s my synagogue,\u201d he said proudly. Then he led them to the other side of the island where again there was a group of buildings\u2014another synagogue, another school, and more.<\/p>\n<p>He announced, \u201cThat\u2019s the synagogue I <em>don\u2019t<\/em> go to.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In this increasingly globalized world, where we can know what is happening far beyond the limits of our eyesight and are bombarded with images, ideas, and challenges day in and day out, how are we to deal with the encounter with those who are different?<\/p>\n<p>One option is to attempt to ignore the other. We pretend they are not there, or that they are not really different. This was much more possible in a world limited to a village group or clan. There might be differences out there, but we are careful to avoid pointing them out or engaging those who are different. Or we may simply refuse to allow those differences into our world.<\/p>\n<p>A second option is to do battle with the other, to try to convince, convert, or coerce them into agreement or, in the worst case, to remove them from \u201cour\u201d community, perhaps even eliminate them out of the world altogether. We can try to exclude people who will not assimilate to our way of seeing things.<\/p>\n<p>A third option that was popular for years was to tolerate the other. \u201cTolerance\u201d is often the word invoked when people talk about attitudes toward others who might not share their beliefs or perspectives. Tolerance is a minimum requirement, if it at least means not attacking the other, but it is a weak kind of relationship.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Rev. Cody Saunders points out: \u201cTolerance says, \u2018You shouldn\u2019t be here, but I\u2019ll allow you to exist.\u2019 We commit ourselves to <em>overlooking<\/em> the offense, the annoyance, the violation to our senses caused by the things and people we <em>merely tolerate<\/em>. Indeed, toleration is no gift to the tolerated.\u201d<a href=\"#_edn1\" name=\"_ednref1\">[i]<\/a> Rajiv Malhotra writes in the <em>Huffington Post<\/em>: \u201cTolerance was a political \u201cdeal\u201d arranged between enemies to quell the violence (a kind of cease-fire) without yielding any ground. Since it was not based on genuine respect for difference, it inevitably broke down. . .\u201d<a href=\"#_edn2\" name=\"_ednref2\">[ii]<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" size-full wp-image-3659 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/pacificasv.org\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/rev_kille3.jpg\" alt=\"rev_kille3\" width=\"189\" height=\"157\" \/>Tolerance is a step toward healthier relationships, but it does not go far. Gustav Niebuhr, in his book. <em>Beyond Tolerance<\/em>, writes: \u201cTolerance is not enough because there\u2019s no educational component to it. Tolerance doesn\u2019t bust down stereotypes. Tolerance doesn\u2019t put a face on faith.\u201d<a href=\"#_edn3\" name=\"_ednref3\">[iii]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>So how might we \u201cput a face on faith\u201d? More and more, people engaged in interfaith relationship-building are turning to the language of \u201cpluralism\u201d to describe the goal. Unlike tolerance, which is really a form of withdrawing from relationship (I promise not to react badly to you), pluralism is a call to engage in relationship.<\/p>\n<p>Pluralism is sometimes used as a synonym for diversity, but in fact, they are different realities. Diversity in this time and place is a given. We come from different backgrounds, different cultures, different religious traditions, different places. We <em>are<\/em> diverse. Diversity is a fact of life. Diversity does not ensure positive relationships among the people and groups that make up the diverse community. We see many examples of people who are threatened by diversity. They know we are a diverse culture, and they hate it. They strike out against differences, seek to limit the rights of others, and declare that those who are different from them are \u201cnot American.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Pluralism is a commitment to engage one another to build a society in with our diversity is appreciated, respected, and mobilized for the good of all. It is active and intentional, not merely resigned to how things are.<\/p>\n<p>The Pluralism Project at Harvard University suggests a few characteristics about pluralism:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>First, pluralism is not the sheer fact of diversity alone, but is active engagement with that diversity.<\/li>\n<li>Second, pluralism is more than the mere tolerance of differences; it requires knowledge of them.<\/li>\n<li>Third, pluralism is not simply relativism, but makes room for real and different religious commitments.<\/li>\n<li>Fourth, pluralism in America is clearly based on the common ground rules of the First Amendment to the Constitution: \u201cno establishment\u201d of religion and the \u201cfree exercise\u201d of religion.<\/li>\n<li>Fifth, pluralism requires the nurturing of constructive dialogue to reveal both common understandings and real differences.<a href=\"#_edn4\" name=\"_ednref4\">[iv]<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>What is called for, says sociologist Robert Wuthnow, is <strong>\u201c<\/strong>reflective pluralism.\u201d<a href=\"#_edn5\" name=\"_ednref5\">[v]<\/a> Reflective pluralism \u201cinvolves acknowledging how and why people are different (and the same), and it requires having good reasons for engaging with people and groups whose religious practices are fundamentally different from one&#8217;s own.\u201d He describes some qualities of those who practice this attitude:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>They are interested in the substantive aspects of pluralism.<\/li>\n<li>They develop an identity as a &#8220;studier,&#8221; as one woman put it.<\/li>\n<li>They carefully consider what it means to have a &#8220;view.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>They consciously seek ways to neutralize objections to pluralism.<\/li>\n<li>They emphasize respect.<\/li>\n<li>They exhibit a principled willingness to compromise.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Why bother? Everyone has a lot to do these days, and even among those who are sympathetic it can be difficult to make a case for active pluralism. Eboo Patel, the founder of the Interfaith Youth Core in Chicago, has described five &#8220;social goods<strong>&#8220;<\/strong> that come from the interfaith encounter: Reduction of prejudice; Increased social cohesion; Increased social capital; Strengthened personal religious commitment; and an increased sense of how the encounter between religions it itself a holy encounter. In this world of \u201cimagined communities,\u201d it is still easier to remain in our separate subgroups and relate to people who are more like us. That kind of isolation has led to a decline in what Robert Putnam calls \u201csocial capital\u201d\u2014the \u201cglue\u201d of relationships that hold together the larger community.<\/p>\n<p>Social capital involves three dimensions: attitudes, relationships, and knowledge, and Patel is convinced there is a profound relationship between the three.<a href=\"#_edn6\" name=\"_ednref6\">[vi]<\/a> It has been demonstrated again and again in surveys that the single most important factor in a person\u2019s attitude toward another group is whether they have had a positive encounter with an individual from that group. Relationship leads to increased knowledge, and improved attitude. Interestingly, the improvement is not only in my attitude toward my friend, but toward all \u201cothers.\u201d\u00a0 The cycle can work the other way as well: much of the mischief done against Muslims, for example, is done by those with no personal relationship and little knowledge or understanding of Islam.<\/p>\n<p><strong>TEN COMMANDMENTS OF DIALOGUE<\/strong>: Leonard Swidler, Professor of Catholic Thought &amp; Interreligious Dialogue at Temple University published \u201cThe Dialogue Decalogue\u201d in 1964.\u00a0 It has been revised slightly over the years to include all manner of inter-group dialogue, but still provides an important framework for the interfaith encounter.<a href=\"#_edn7\" name=\"_ednref7\">[vii]<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>FIRST COMMANDMENT:<\/strong><em> The primary purpose of dialogue is to learn, that is, to change and grow in the perception and understanding of reality, and then to act accordingly.\u00a0 Minimally, the very fact that I learn that my dialogue partner believes \u201cthis\u201d rather than \u201cthat\u201d proportionally changes my attitude toward her; and a change in my attitude is a significant change in me. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Not every encounter between religious traditions qualifies as a dialogue.\u00a0 As our society becomes increasingly diverse, we are ever more likely to encounter the \u201cother\u201d\u2013 someone whose religious faith, experience, practice and identity are different from our own.\u00a0 So much of religious discussion in our history has been wedded to apologetics (proving that my religion is better than your religion), or to mission (getting you to convert to my religion).\u00a0 Neither of these attitudes is appropriate or helpful in interfaith dialogue.\u00a0 At the outset, interfaith dialogue requires of each of us a certain humility.\u00a0 However true we may believe our religion to be, we must acknowledge that we do not have the <em>whole <\/em>truth.\u00a0 And that leaves us open to the possibility that we may be changed by what we have learned from one another.\u00a0 In fact, there\u2019s no way to enter into a real relationship with any human being without being changed.\u00a0 Interfaith dialogue challenges us to bring the same willingness to learn and to see things differently that are the hallmarks of any encounter in which we respect the other as a living human being apart from ourselves.<\/p>\n<p><strong>SECOND COMMANDMENT:<\/strong> <em>Interreligious, dialogue must be a two-sided project\u2013within each religious or ideological community and between religious or ideological communities.\u00a0 Because of the \u201ccorporate\u201d nature of interreligious dialogue, and since the primary goal of dialogue is that each partner learn and change himself, it is also necessary that each participant enter into dialogue not only with his partner across the faith line but also with his coreligionists, to share with them the fruits of the interreligious dialogue.\u00a0 Only thus can the whole community eventually learn and change, moving toward an ever more perceptive insight into reality.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It is often more difficult to talk with members of one\u2019s own religious tradition about interfaith dialogue than it is to talk with people from other religious groups.\u00a0 To some extent, interfaith dialogues are self-selecting.\u00a0 If I am interested in reaching out and learning from other traditions, I am likely to encounter those people in the other traditions who have a similar desire to reach out.\u00a0 Within my own community, however, I may encounter those who feel threatened by, betrayed by, or simply indifferent to interfaith relationships.\u00a0 For whatever reason\u2013 their need to protect certain beliefs, their suspicion of others, their focus on other priorities\u2013 they are not themselves immediately ready to engage in dialogue, and may even mistrust my own involvement.\u00a0 It is perhaps tempting to spend our time with those who are supportive of interfaith dialogue, but in so doing, we relegate interreligious relationships to little more than a sideshow\u2013 irrelevant to most within our tradition.\u00a0 It is only as we engage and encourage those of our own tradition that we weave together the threads of the larger, more inclusive tapestry with all the richness that each of us brings to the encounter.<\/p>\n<p><strong>THIRD COMMANDMENT:<\/strong> <em>Each participant must come to the dialogue with complete honesty and sincerity.\u00a0 It should be made clear in what direction the major and minor thrusts of the tradition move, what the future shifts might be, and, if necessary, where the participant has difficulties with her own tradition.\u00a0 No false fronts have any place in dialogue.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Conversely\u2013each participant must assume a similar complete honesty and sincerity in the other partners. \u00a0Not only will the absence of sincerity prevent dialogue from happening, but the absence of the assumption of the partner\u2019s sincerity will do so as well.\u00a0 In brief: no trust, no dialogue. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo trust, no dialogue.\u201d That simple summation says it all.\u00a0 If we approach one another with suspicion and doubt one another\u2019s sincerity, we may be able to engage in conversation, negotiation, or even diplomacy.\u00a0 But we are not in dialogue.\u00a0 Dialogue requires of each participant a certain vulnerability- a willingness to be honest about ourselves and our religious experience, and the willingness to trust that the other is doing the same. That vulnerability can be especially difficult when the discussion touches on areas of our own religious tradition where we ourselves may be having questions, difficulties, or struggles.\u00a0 We may try to compensate for our own questioning by taking an exaggeratedly dogmatic or forceful stance, or by becoming defensive. At the same time, we need to acknowledge that no one is perfect, and that our resistance or defensiveness may be an unavoidable fact of human experience.\u00a0 So, too, are occasional resistances or defensiveness in our dialogue partners.\u00a0 And so we don\u2019t assume that when such times arise that our partner is speaking in bad faith.\u00a0 If we commit ourselves to being as honest and sincere as we are able, and to presume that our partner is doing the same, new avenues of dialogue can open up as we deepen our understanding both of the other and of ourselves.<\/p>\n<p><strong>FOURTH COMMANDMENT: <\/strong><em>In interreligious dialogue we must not compare our ideals with our partner\u2019s practice, but rather our ideals with our partner\u2019s ideals, our practice with our partner\u2019s practice. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Another way I have heard this phrased is \u201cnever compare the best in your own tradition to the worst in the other\u2019s tradition.\u201d As a Christian, I am all too aware of how Christians have failed to live up to the vision of being a \u2018spiritual house, \u2026 a holy priesthood\u201d (1 Peter 2:5) We are not \u201cperfect, as your father in heaven is perfect\u201d (Matthew 5:48), nor have we all been able to live consistently by the rest of Jesus\u2019 Sermon on the Mount. Jesus understood a profound truth when he said to his disciples in that very sermon, \u201cWhy do you see the speck in your brother\u2019s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?\u201d (Matthew 7:3).\u00a0 We are all too prone to project our own failings onto others.\u00a0 Defensively, we deny the very failings in our own lives that we highlight among other traditions. We must be clear when we are talking about the ideals, the goals, and the highest aspirations of each of our religious commitments, and we must be truthful when we talk about the actual practice of human beings within our communities.<\/p>\n<p><strong>FIFTH COMMANDMENT:<\/strong> <em>Each participant must define himself.\u00a0 Only the Jew, for example, can define what it means to be a Jew.\u00a0 The rest can only describe what it looks like from the outside.\u00a0 Moreover, because dialogue is a dynamic medium, as each participant learns, he will change and hence continually deepen, expand, and modify his self-definition as a Jew\u2013being careful to remain in constant dialogue with fellow Jews.\u00a0 Thus it is mandatory that each dialogue partner define what it means to be an authentic member of his own tradition.<br \/>\nConversely\u2013the one interpreted must be able to recognize herself in the interpretation <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Most of us don\u2019t like it when someone tells us what we\u2019re supposed to be, or believe, or do.\u00a0 And that\u2019s especially irritating when it comes from someone who doesn\u2019t really understand the complexities or variations that are a part of living out our real lives in relation to our traditions.\u00a0 One of the most common illusions in interreligious dialogue is that religious traditions are monolithic\u2013 that everyone who claims a particular religious tradition will affirm the same thing or have the same experiences and perspectives.<\/p>\n<p>Many who are involved in interfaith dialogue find it more difficult at times to talk with those \u201cof their own house\u201d than with those of a different tradition.\u00a0 There is tremendous diversity even within a single tradition, and when we enter into dialogue with one another, we must not forget that fact. A technique that is used in communication exercises, such as with couples counseling or community dialogues, is to ask someone to repeat back what they have heard before responding to it.\u00a0 Often we filter what another has said through our own preconceptions and prejudices.\u00a0 Before we can enter into genuine conversation, we must ensure that we understand each other as we would wish to be understood.<\/p>\n<p><strong>SIXTH COMMANDMENT:<\/strong> <em>Each participant must come to the dialogue with no hard-and-fast assumptions as to where the points of disagreement are.\u00a0 Rather, each partner should not only listen to the other partner with openness and sympathy but also attempt to agree with the dialogue partner as far as is possible while still maintaining integrity with his own tradition; where he absolutely can agree no further without violating his own integrity, precisely there is the real point of disagreement\u2013which most often turns out to be different from the point of disagreement that was falsely assumed ahead of time. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>This commandment is a corollary of Commandment #5.\u00a0 If I assume that I know where your tradition and mine will disagree, I am assuming that I know not only what your tradition says about the issue, but what you understand your tradition to say.\u00a0 I may also approach our discussion with an expectation of conflict and competition, which may keep me on the defensive and not open to hearing what my dialogue partner actually is saying. So much of our religious <em>experience <\/em>(more than our religious <em>teaching<\/em>) is surprisingly common.\u00a0 Religious traditions that grow out of our day-to-day experience of living, that speak to our need for meaning, belonging, compassion and care, are rooted in our common humanity.\u00a0 It is not, then, surprising that we should find many more points of commonality than we had expected.\u00a0 As we build a genuine relationship, as we grow in the capability of truly listening to each other, we then lay the groundwork for being able to explore our very real differences without severing our relationship or striking out at each other.<\/p>\n<p><strong>SEVENTH COMMANDMENT:<\/strong> <em>Dialogue can take place only between equals.\u00a0 Both must come to learn from each other.\u00a0 Therefore, if, for example, the Muslim views Hinduism as inferior, or if the Hindu views Islam as inferior, there will be no dialogue.\u00a0 If authentic interreligious dialogue between Muslims and Hindus is to occur, then both the Muslim and the Hindu must come mainly to learn from each other.\u00a0 This rule also indicates that there can be no such thing as a one-way dialogue. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Approaching interreligious dialogue as equal partners seems appropriate at first glance.\u00a0 After all, how can there be a conversation if the participants are not equal? Otherwise it is not a conversation at all; it is indoctrination, apologetics, or a way of establishing or reaffirming relative status between a superior and an inferior.\u00a0 The inferior may be permitted to speak, but it is a foregone conclusion that the superior\u2019s perspective will be the norm. When we think more about it, though, this requirement becomes more difficult.\u00a0 If I believe my religion is true, and that it is the right path, how can I allow \u201ccompetitors\u201d? In fact, in some cases, my religious tradition may explicitly say that others are inferior.\u00a0 How can I consider another\u2019s tradition to be \u201cequal\u201d to my own? One way to do this has been common in interreligious relations.\u00a0 It is to say that \u201call religions are really the same.\u201d Our differences are surface differences at most; they are accidents of history, culture, and tradition.\u00a0 This is a tempting solution, but isn\u2019t it really an assertion that we are equals only at the lowest common denominator? That the only way we can deal with one another is to strip away all the particularities that make our religious life, community, and culture unique, complex, and rich?<\/p>\n<p>A better way, in my opinion, is to acknowledge that none of us has a corner on truth.\u00a0 I used to think that the diversity of religious paths was an accident of human frailty, that if somehow we saw clearly, we would all follow the same way.\u00a0 As my relationships with people of different faiths and paths has grown, I become more convinced that the diversity exists because that is what God (the Creator, the Divine, the Cosmos) intended. It is summed up well in that oft-quoted text from the Qur\u2019an:<\/p>\n<p>[49:13] O People! We created you from a male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other.\u00a0 Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Most of our traditions affirm that human beings are fundamentally equal in that God has created all of us, and that every human being is worthy of respect and dignity.\u00a0 This, I think, is the foundation that supports our reaching out to one another to enter into dialogue as equals.<\/p>\n<p><strong>EIGHTH COMMANDMENT:<\/strong> <em>Dialogue can take place only on the basis of mutual trust.\u00a0 Although interreligious dialogue must occur with some kind of \u201ccorporate\u201d dimension, that is, the participants must be involved as members of a religious or ideological community, it is also fundamentally true that it is only persons who can enter into dialogue.\u00a0 But a dialogue among persons can be built only on personal trust.\u00a0 Hence it is wise not to tackle the most difficult problems in the beginning, but rather to approach first those issues most likely to provide some common ground, thereby establishing the basis of human trust. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Some years ago I attended a talk on \u201cWiccan\/Evangelical Dialogue,\u201d with Brooks Alexander, a committed evangelical Christian and founder of the Spiritual Counterfeits project, and Don Frew, a Wiccan priest and longtime interfaith officer for Covenant of the Goddess.<\/p>\n<p>These two have continued an unlikely friendship and ongoing dialogue for over 20 years.\u00a0 Their description of how their friendship began illustrates the importance of trust in building dialogue.\u00a0 Don attended a conference sponsored by conservative Christians on the dangers of the occult.\u00a0 He found many of the presentations disturbing, filled with misunderstanding and distortions of Wicca.\u00a0 But he appreciated that, while Brooks did not disguise his belief that Wicca was not the truth, he was well-informed and spoke only the truth about what Wiccans believed and did.\u00a0 After Don identified himself to the group as a practicing Wiccan, Brooks went out of his way to talk with him, and the conversation has continued since then.\u00a0 Don and Brooks have shared about their dialogue with interfaith groups, at Neo-pagan conventions, and are hoping to speak to evangelical Christians.<\/p>\n<p>They noted especially the trust that makes their relationship work.\u00a0 Each trusts the other to be honest about their own tradition, to be willing to reflect in new ways about questions they might never have considered before within their own tradition.\u00a0 And they trust each other not to twist or manipulate what they learn in order to distort or attack the other\u2019s faith.\u00a0 Trust is closely connected with several of the \u201cTen Commandments for Dialogue. \u201d The dialogue partner must trust that the other is speaking honestly and sincerely (Commandment #3), that the other is willing to be self-critical (Commandment #9), and that the other will not distort or misuse what has been shared (Commandment #4).<\/p>\n<p><strong>ASIDE: HOW NOT TO DIALOGUE: <\/strong>An unfortunate encounter in Stockton offers a clear illustration of how relationships between religious groups can be distorted and barriers to understanding reinforced.\u00a0 Tarek Mourad, a Muslim engineer from Santa Clara, was invited to speak about Islam at the Cesar Chavez Central Library.\u00a0 His presentation to a group of about 70 people was interrupted again and again by two women who called him a liar and quoted extensively from a book written by a former Muslim, <em>Why I Left Jihad<\/em> by Walid Shoebat.<a href=\"#_edn8\" name=\"_ednref8\">[viii]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Imagine, for a moment, that you are speaking about your own religious tradition, only to be told you are lying because what you say does not agree with what someone who has turned his back on that tradition says is the \u201ctruth. \u201d Where do you begin to respond? To Mr.\u00a0 Mourad\u2019s credit, it seems that he was willing to enter into a conversation with his opponents, but they were not willing to talk with him.<\/p>\n<p>The word \u201carrogance\u201d derives from a root that can mean something like \u201cwithout questions.\u201d What arrogance to assume that you know more about another\u2019s religion than they do themselves because you have read a book! Clearly, the women were not interested in interfaith dialogue.\u00a0 They did not come to learn, they did not assume that Mr.\u00a0 Mourad was speaking with honesty and sincerity, they did not permit him to define his own religious experience.\u00a0 They assumed before the event began what the points of disagreement were (demonstrated by the fact that one woman had already copied pages out of Shoebat\u2019s book to pass out), and they were not ready to trust him as an equal partner in dialogue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NINTH COMMANDMENT:<\/strong><em> Persons entering into interreligious dialogue must be at least minimally self-critical of both themselves and their own religious or ideological traditions.\u00a0 A lack of such self-criticism implies that one\u2019s own tradition already has all the correct answers.\u00a0 Such an attitude makes dialogue not only unnecessary, but even impossible, since we enter into dialogue primarily so we can learn\u2013which obviously is impossible if our tradition has never made a misstep, if it has all the right answers.\u00a0 To be sure, in interreligious dialogue one must stand within a religious or ideological tradition with integrity and conviction, but such integrity and conviction must include, not exclude, a healthy self-criticism.\u00a0 Without it there can be no dialogue\u2013and, indeed, no integrity. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Sadly, the encounter between two religious traditions often winds up being little more than a contest to see which participant can point out the most flaws in the other\u2019s faith and practice.\u00a0 Rather than taking a stance of openness to learning about the other, a person may assume that their task is to point out the error of his or her ways.<\/p>\n<p>Under such circumstances, it is understandable why someone might become protective and wary of any criticism.\u00a0 No matter how valid or important that criticism might be, the fact that it comes from \u201coutside the circle\u201d can move a person to dismiss it or feel that they are under attack.<\/p>\n<p>If the levels of trust in the relationship have been built up with the attitudes called for in the other \u201cCommandments\u201d\u2013 honesty, trust, a willingness to hear the other on their own terms, and not idealizing one\u2019s own tradition and putting down the other\u2019s\u2013 there can be room for inevitable self-criticism.<\/p>\n<p>In popular usage, \u201ccriticism\u201d is usually considered a bad or negative thing, equivalent to devaluing or disrespecting the thing being criticized.\u00a0 But the root of the word means \u201cto judge\u201d or \u201cevaluate.\u201d Criticism is the process by which we take the measure of something and evaluate it against some standard.<\/p>\n<p>Even if my dialogue partner doesn\u2019t specifically challenge my religious commitments, the mere fact that his or her commitments are different should invite me to reflect on <em>why <\/em>I believe as I do.\u00a0 My partner is bound to ask questions about my faith and experience that are not the questions I would ordinarily ask myself, and their perspective will not be the same as mine.<\/p>\n<p>The poet Robert Burns once wrote (in his Scots dialect), \u201cO would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.\u201d This is the gift that interfaith dialogue has the potential to give.\u00a0 As far as we can remain open to the other, to their insight and perspective, we receive the gift of seeing ourselves \u201cfrom outside,\u201d as it were.<\/p>\n<p>If we resist the self-reflection that interfaith dialogue makes possible, we will remain incapable of entering into genuine relationship with one another; we will not be equal participants.\u00a0 And we will have missed one of the great gifts of interreligious encounter.<\/p>\n<p><strong>TENTH COMMANDMENT:<\/strong> <em>Each participant eventually must attempt to experience the partner\u2019s religion or ideology \u201cfrom within\u201d; for a religion or ideology is not merely something of the head, but also of the spirit, heart, and \u201cwhole being,\u201d individual and communal.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This last \u201ccommandment\u201d may be scary for some.\u00a0 Haven\u2019t we said all along that the point of dialogue is not to convert the other to our religion? And yet here Swidler seems to be saying almost the opposite\u2013 that some measure of \u201cconversion\u201d is not only necessary for dialogue, but desirable!<a href=\"#_edn9\" name=\"_ednref9\">[ix]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>And yet, is it not the case that human beings simply cannot fully understand any new piece of information unless they have assimilated it deeply? If we are to learn something new, we always have to start with making analogies to what we already know.\u00a0 Something that falls completely out of our experience cannot be named, grasped, or expressed.\u00a0 And so we begin with what we know and seek to understand how this new thing relates to our previous understandings, categories and perceptions.<\/p>\n<p>As we come into closer contact with this new thing, as much as we are able to encounter it on its own terms, we gradually are able to see how it does <em>not<\/em> fit our preconceptions, how it differs\/ contrasts\/ challenges what we have known previously.\u00a0 And finally, this new thing offers us a chance to see things in a new way, to take a new perspective, to incorporate it into the knowledge and experience we will bring to the next new thing.<\/p>\n<p>So it is that a genuine, open, and honest dialogue with someone from another religious tradition opens the way for a new way of seeing.\u00a0 Not simply converting one point of view into the other, but together discovering another way that allows us to remain true to our different origins, but which is richer for the wider perspective we have gained from each other.<\/p>\n<p>This is the promise of interfaith relations, and the gift that those who embark on this journey come to share. And the Decalogue need not only apply to formal interfaith conversations. A few weeks ago, Rabbi Abraham Skorka, known as \u201cthe Pope\u2019s Rabbi,\u201d came to Santa Clara University. He and Cardinal Bergoglio had been friends and colleagues in Buenos Aires, before the Cardinal was chosen as Pope Francis I, and their friendship has continued since. Rabbi Skorka invited the audience to cultivate a \u201cdialogic attitude,\u201d to practice the openness, respect, and appreciation that makes for strong relationship in all our encounters with each other.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref1\" name=\"_edn1\">[i]<\/a> Cody J. Sanders, \u201cAfter Westboro: The Trouble with \u2018Tolerance\u2019\u201d <em>Religion Dispatches, <\/em>http:\/\/religiondispatches.org\/after-westboro-the-trouble-with-tolerance\/<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref2\" name=\"_edn2\">[ii]<\/a> Rajiv Malhotra, \u201cTolerance Isn\u2019t Good Enough: The Need for Mutual Respect in Interfaith Relations\u201d <em>Huffpost Religion, <\/em>http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/rajiv-malhotra\/hypocrisy-of-tolerance_b_792239.html<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref3\" name=\"_edn3\">[iii]<\/a> Gustav Niebuhr, <em>Beyond Tolerance<\/em> (Viking, 2008).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref4\" name=\"_edn4\">[iv]<\/a> Diana L. Eck, \u201cWhat is Pluralism?\u201d at <em>The Pluralism Project, <\/em>http:\/\/www.pluralism.org\/pluralism\/what_is_pluralism<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref5\" name=\"_edn5\">[v]<\/a> Robert Wuthnow, <em>America and the Challeges of Religious Diversity<\/em> (Princeton University Press, 2005), pp. 289-292.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref6\" name=\"_edn6\">[vi]<\/a> Eboo Patel, <em>Sacred Ground: Pluralism, Prejudice, and the Promise of America,<\/em> (Beacon Press, 2012), p. 79.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref7\" name=\"_edn7\">[vii]<\/a> http:\/\/institute.jesdialogue.org\/resources\/tools\/decalogue\/<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref8\" name=\"_edn8\">[viii]<\/a> Jeff Hood, \u201cCritics interrupt speaker\u2019s talk on Islam,\u201d <em>Stockton Record<\/em> January 21, 2007. http:\/\/www.recordnet.com\/apps\/pbcs.dll\/article?AID=\/20070121\/A_NEWS\/701210322<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref9\" name=\"_edn9\">[ix]<\/a> In the question and answer time, Rod Cardoza suggested that, rather than \u201cconversion,\u201d it might be better to describe it as \u201choly envy\u201d\u2014identifying aspects of another\u2019s tradition that you might wish were incorporated in your own. I fully agree. See \u201cKrister Stendahl&#8217;s three rules of religious understanding,\u201d on Wikipedia, http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Krister_Stendahl<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tolerance, Respect, and Pluralism: Changing Relationships in a \u201cMulti-\u201c World Rev. D. Andrew Kille, Ph.D. Pacifica Institute March 4, 2015 &nbsp; Tolerance of those whose beliefs, practices, or customs differ from one\u2019s own is a minimum requirement for living in the contemporary world, as it becomes increasingly multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-ethnic, and multi-you-name-it. 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